Legislature(2005 - 2006)CAPITOL 120

03/02/2006 01:00 PM House MILITARY & VETERANS' AFFAIRS


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*+ HJR 27 ALLOTMENTS FOR NATIVE VIETNAM VETERANS TELECONFERENCED
Moved CSHJR 27(MLV) Out of Committee
*+ HB 465 MARINE SAFETY AND SECURITY TELECONFERENCED
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*+ HJR 33 SUPPORTING IN-STATE MED. CARE FOR VETS TELECONFERENCED
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HJR 33-SUPPORTING IN-STATE MED. CARE FOR VETS                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
1:38:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN  announced that the  final order of business  would be                                                               
HOUSE JOINT  RESOLUTION NO. 33,  urging the Alaska  Department of                                                               
Health and  Social Services  to seek  authority and  funding from                                                               
the United States  Department of Veterans Affairs  to establish a                                                               
system  allowing Alaska  veterans  treatment in  both public  and                                                               
private Alaska facilities.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
1:39:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE PETE  KOTT, Alaska State Legislature,  speaking as                                                               
the  sponsor,  explained  that   HJR  33  encourages  the  [U.S.]                                                               
Department  of  Veterans  Affairs  to  consider  allowing  Alaska                                                               
veterans  who currently  receive  [health care]  services in  the                                                               
Lower 48,  primarily in Portland or  Seattle veterans' hospitals,                                                               
to receive  health care  services in  Alaska.   He noted  that in                                                               
2004, [the  State of  Alaska] spent  approximately $2  million in                                                               
transporting  Alaska veterans  to Portland  or Seattle  veterans'                                                               
hospitals.  In  addition, HJR 33 is  requesting the consideration                                                               
of  a credit-like  card, which  would allow  veterans to  receive                                                               
health  care  services  from  their  provider  in  Alaska.    The                                                               
provider would be  reimbursed by the Alaska  Department of Health                                                               
and  Social  Services, which  would  be  reimbursed by  the  U.S.                                                               
Department  of  Veterans  Affairs.    He  mentioned  that  Alaska                                                               
doesn't  have  the population  to  justify  building a  veterans'                                                               
hospital.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:41:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KOTT,  in response  to Chair Lynn,  confirmed that                                                               
the concept of a credit-like  card, which would allow veterans to                                                               
receive health care services from  their provider in Alaska, is a                                                               
novel one.  He opined that  it would be more efficient, and added                                                               
that  it  would  alleviate  the burden  of  paperwork  placed  on                                                               
veterans.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:46:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RIC  DAVIDGE, President,  Vietnam  Veterans  of America,  Chapter                                                               
904;   Chairman,  Alaska   Veterans   Foundation,  provided   the                                                               
following testimony:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     As most of you know, over  the last three years, all of                                                                    
     the  nine National  Veterans  Organizations of  America                                                                    
     have been  working together, which  is a  unique thing,                                                                    
     to  address the  failure  of Congress  and our  various                                                                    
     administrations  to  meet  the  legally  required,  and                                                                    
     certainly morally  obligated needs, of our  current and                                                                    
     future veterans  (indisc.) in  their health  care area.                                                                    
     But  we've   seen  little   progress.     The  problems                                                                    
     actually,  in our  study, appear  to be  structural and                                                                    
     it's time  for some new ideas.   I think, as  a nation,                                                                    
     we  recognize that  we ensure  the health  care of  the                                                                    
     poor,  the old,  and even  our illegal  immigrants, but                                                                    
     not for the men and  women who stand guard for America.                                                                    
     Alaska is now,  and will likely continue to  be, at its                                                                    
     highest  military deployment  since World  War II.   It                                                                    
     means more and more Alaskans  are serving in harm's way                                                                    
     overseas.   Alaskans are being killed  and wounded, and                                                                    
     their  families are  hurting.   Not just  because their                                                                    
     husbands, wives,  or family members are  in harm's way,                                                                    
     but also  because they're  financially distressed.   If                                                                    
     you  have a  copy  of  our talking  paper,  one of  the                                                                    
     interesting  things that  Alaskans don't  understand is                                                                    
     if you're in  the active reserve or  National Guard and                                                                    
     you're  activated and  you have  a  full-time job,  you                                                                    
     have  just lost  the  health care  from that  full-time                                                                    
     job, although you  may be guaranteed to  return to that                                                                    
     job.   Your family has  lost the full-time  health care                                                                    
     that's  provided  by  that job.    Now  they  certainly                                                                    
     receive a  certain amount of  health care  while you're                                                                    
     in  service,  but  when you  come  back  from  overseas                                                                    
     service, and probably/possibly  with some injury, those                                                                    
     injuries  are excluded  from new  health care  programs                                                                    
     that you  may apply  for, and  Alaskans are  being hurt                                                                    
     because  of that.   One  of the  problems I'm  going to                                                                    
     speak off the  paper for a minute, and I  hope that the                                                                    
     staff  has provided  you with  our  talking paper,  and                                                                    
     this is an  active talking paper that  goes through the                                                                    
     structural programs and what  this program would try to                                                                    
     do.  I  think we have an opportunity  in Alaska because                                                                    
     of our nature, because we're  so rural, because we have                                                                    
     veterans  spread literally  thousands of  miles around,                                                                    
     to look at some new ideas.   The VA does encourage what                                                                    
     they  call demonstration  programs.    We think  Alaska                                                                    
     would  be an  excellent  demonstration  project and  in                                                                    
     recent conversations from  (indisc.) with our president                                                                    
     in  Washington,   D.C.  of  the  Vietnam   Veterans  of                                                                    
     America, he's very  encouraged with this idea.   I just                                                                    
     provided  you  today a  copy  of  his recent  testimony                                                                    
     before  Congress, playing  out that  this $4.7  billion                                                                    
     short  in  the VA  health  care  program.   What  we're                                                                    
     trying to do here is  stop setting up new hospitals/new                                                                    
     clinics, shipping  veterans out  of Alaska at  the cost                                                                    
     of millions  of dollars,  and at  the economic  loss to                                                                    
     the  medical  community  in  Alaska   in  the  tens  of                                                                    
     millions.    Because the  services  are  here, but  the                                                                    
     bureaucracy has a certain mind  set.  We think we could                                                                    
     go  back to  what  would be  characterized  as the  old                                                                    
     system.    We  actually   have  VA  people  working  at                                                                    
     Providence  Hospital   in  the   intake/services  area.                                                                    
     These are  VA employees, VA doctors,  VA nurses, public                                                                    
     health people  as well, who  are providing  services to                                                                    
     veterans.  The  veteran would go to  the hospital, show                                                                    
     their  veteran  card,  which showed  that  they  had  a                                                                    
     certain connected  disability or  they were  retired or                                                                    
     whatever, and  then take advantage  of the  services of                                                                    
     that private health care claim or hospital.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:50:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIDGE continued his testimony:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     What this  does is ensure  a more efficient use  of the                                                                    
     existing privately provided  medical care facilities in                                                                    
     the state.  Why we send,  as the sponsor said, we spent                                                                    
     $2 million last year sending  veterans out of the state                                                                    
     for medical services, all of  which are provided in the                                                                    
     state.   I've  talked  to the  directors of  Providence                                                                    
     [Hospital],  I've talked  to  the  directors of  Alaska                                                                    
     Regional,  and no  one can  find  medical service  need                                                                    
     that  is not  provided in  Alaska that  these guys  are                                                                    
     being  sent   off  to  be   treated  for,   other  than                                                                    
     residential  [Post  Traumatic Stress  Disorder  (PTSD)]                                                                    
     programs.   We think  that we  should really  sit down,                                                                    
     and  the  resolution  directs basically  the  State  of                                                                    
     Alaska  to  sit  down  and  think  creatively  about  a                                                                    
     partnership,   if   you   will,  with   the   veterans'                                                                    
     administration  in   providing  Alaska   veterans  this                                                                    
     health care.  We believe,  in the work that we've done,                                                                    
     and  I  think if  you  look  at  the material  that  we                                                                    
     provided you,  it would show that  rather dramatically,                                                                    
     we  can not  only save  the veterans'  administration a                                                                    
     huge amount of money, but  we can better take advantage                                                                    
     and  support  the  private medical  facilities  in  our                                                                    
     state.    Why  create   a  new  hospital,  a  veterans'                                                                    
     hospital, we don't  have one up here.  We  sort of have                                                                    
     one over at  the Air Force base, but not  really.  When                                                                    
     the veteran or  their family can go to  their doctor of                                                                    
     choice, their  hospital of choice, show  their card, if                                                                    
     they have a  service-connected disability, a percentage                                                                    
     of that  disability would be  taken off the  bill, etc.                                                                    
     It's a  very easily put-together  concept.  One  of the                                                                    
     things  that we  discovered  is that  $9-$10 million  a                                                                    
     year  is returned  to the  Alaska VA  to a  third party                                                                    
     village.   In other words,  you go  to the VA,  you get                                                                    
     treatment, and they  say do you have  any other medical                                                                    
     insurance?  Well I have Blue  Cross, okay fine.  The VA                                                                    
     then bills Blue Cross for  a percentage of your medical                                                                    
     services.   That  money, we  think, as  is the  case in                                                                    
     Native health  care program, should be  returned to the                                                                    
     state, not the  VA.  That would be seed  money to begin                                                                    
     a program  within the Alaska  Department of  Health and                                                                    
     Social  Services to  begin to  provide Alaska  veterans                                                                    
     the medical services  that they need in the  state.  We                                                                    
     don't have  all the  answers, but  the effort  over the                                                                    
     last  three   years  by  the  nine   National  Veterans                                                                    
     Organizations who finally have  come together over this                                                                    
     issue  have also  not found  the  answers.   We need  a                                                                    
     program  that ensures  that those  men  and women  from                                                                    
     Alaska  who stand  guard for  America  get the  medical                                                                    
     services they need when they  come.  We think that this                                                                    
     is a  good, positive  first step.   We would  hope that                                                                    
     the  state would  put together  a  working task  force,                                                                    
     bring  together the  people involved  in this,  and sit                                                                    
     down and  look at  a way  to do  this.   My discussions                                                                    
     with  the doctors,  leading  doctors  in Anchorage  and                                                                    
     both  of  the  hospitals, clearly  indicate  that  they                                                                    
     would be very  supportive of this.   We would literally                                                                    
     be  returning tens  of millions  of dollars  in medical                                                                    
     services that  are currently  being provided  in Oregon                                                                    
     or Seattle,  or even  some cases  back East  for Alaska                                                                    
     veterans.  That  money would be spent in  Alaska, so it                                                                    
     would  have  a  huge  economic benefit  as  well  as  a                                                                    
     benefit to Alaska veterans.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
1:53:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. DAVIDGE continued his testimony:                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Being a disabled  veteran who has to go  outside of the                                                                    
     state because  the VA  decides that I  have to  do that                                                                    
     for medical services, at times  when those services put                                                                    
     significant multiple  stress on wife, my  children, and                                                                    
     separates me from  them.  If we want  to encourage care                                                                    
     and   healing,  having   families  together   at  these                                                                    
     critical  times  is  very,  very  important.    I  have                                                                    
     members  within my  organization,  Vietnam Veterans  of                                                                    
     America,  they have  to go  out  monthly for  radiation                                                                    
     treatment.   All of  that service  is provided  here in                                                                    
     the  state of  Alaska.   But  they have  to absorb,  on                                                                    
     themselves, the  cost of taking  their wives,  or their                                                                    
     husbands in one case, with  them so that they have that                                                                    
     kind of  emotional support.   We think this is  a good,                                                                    
     very  positive  first  step  and  we  look  forward  to                                                                    
     immediate   action   by   your   committee   and   this                                                                    
     legislature to move this forward.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LYNN opined  that HJR 33 is a "pretty  good bill" and added                                                               
that it would be a good idea to  assemble a group to work on this                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:54:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA referred  to  page 2,  lines 16-17,  which                                                               
says:    "establish  a  system allowing  Alaska  veterans  to  be                                                               
treated in  public or  private facilities  in the  state whenever                                                               
possible", and asked Representative Kott:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Was it  your intention that  we were really  talking as                                                                    
     close  to  home  means  that it  would  be  essentially                                                                    
     across the state people in  say Hoonah, if there was in                                                                    
     fact the  facility that could give  the service needed,                                                                    
     could  give that  service in  Hoonah,  rather than  the                                                                    
     regional center?                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KOTT  confirmed  that  Representative  Cissna  is                                                               
correct.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CISSNA said,  "I'm very,  very much  in favor  of                                                               
this and  I do  appreciate that  understanding that  we're really                                                               
talking about services  truly, truly in Alaska, as  close to home                                                               
as possible."                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:57:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE DAHLSTROM moved to report  HJR 33 out of committee                                                               
with  individual  recommendations  and  the  accompanying  fiscal                                                               
notes.  There being no objection,  HJR 33 was reported out of the                                                               
House Special Committee on Military and Veterans' Affairs.                                                                      

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